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By jsmitch On 2014.01.02 09:41
A reprieve... Blocking hackers was my biggest concern and this past year I've managed to block 98% of the attacks. As it stands right now, I'm not taking down the forum any time soon.


By deniedaccess On 2014.01.02 10:00
Jim, thanks for the good news, hope your New Year is good for you.

Steve, maybe you are afraid to venture out when the weather is below 60, but I know for a fact Rich thrives on the cold weather as do I. I don't go out unless it is 70 or less, and have yet to hit a bottom temp that I think too cold, usually wear t-shirts all year, (sometimes wear a wind breaker if the wind up and temps below 30). Only an antebellum Georgian would know about velvet chairs and being waited on hand and foot. Also, working on the railroad as a young boy has nothing on working aircraft on an open concrete ramp in all weather conditions or being on a Coast Guard ship searching for people in all weather conditions, (even having to brave the waters to effect a rescue).

By Joe Pat Tyron On 2014.01.02 10:41
Bravo Mike I left Tucson after 25 years of working on a concrete flight line that at times reached 130 degrees I've worked on aircraft in Goose Bay,Labrador at 48 below with a chill factor of 105 below.I can also remember deicing B-52s in the middle of the night on alert status on the ramp at Oscoda,Mi during the cold war.Life was no picnic for sure .Must have been nice looking out that heated locomotive window at the snow!.

By deniedaccess On 2014.01.02 17:42
Don't know if the lines in Vietnam and the Philippines hit 130, but plenty hot enough for me. The winter temps on "Bunker Stump Airplane Dump", Bunker Hill, IN, didn't hit 48 below, but the winds blowing across empty flat fields to a flat concrete ramp with 2 foot of snow and 0 degrees temp taking care of alert KC-135's, and B-58's with fat boy pods was no picnic. I think Rich may have had it worse on ships in the Alaskan waters doing search and rescue.

By Joe Pat Tyron On 2014.01.02 18:30
You must have been at Bunker Hill at about the same time I was at Wurtsmith I went down there in 66 to do the Altitude chamber for the B-52 flight pay.Now if you took the two extremes Tucson or Goose Bay DaNang was down right balmy.

By deniedaccess On 2014.01.02 18:39
JP, started at Bunker Hill in 66 and stayed until 68 when I went to Vietnam. Spent just under 2 months at DaNang with the "Ranch Hands". definitely a change from Bien Hoa. Especially enjoyed taking the commanders jeep to the "carwash", and China Beach was much better than the TV show of the same name. Surprising what the Marines on "Monkey Mountain" would give for a bottle of "hooch". The "Ranch Hands" had plenty of steak cook outs at China Beach thanks to them. You also had better shows at the NCO club than we did. Remember the standing joke about the new guy asking if you had seen the dog carrying the rat in his mouth at the port of DaNang and being told it was a rat carrying a dog? Was "lucky" enough to spend 2 TET offensives at Bien Hoa.

By Joe Pat Tyron On 2014.01.02 19:02
I see you too had one of those dream assignments close to home too,the worst during my whole carer.

By deniedaccess On 2014.01.02 19:08
JP, no, for me being "SACumcized" was the best thing that could have happened to me. Proved beneficial in later assignments showing people crap could be pushed uphill. And the "Hustler" being designed to fly one time was a dream to work on from an Avionics Navigation stand point. Spent the last 3 months of my tour there using only a "7 Level" screwdriver. OH, and a "Line Chief" pencil. Unfortunately ended up in the "Traveling Air Circus" because of the SEI I earned in Vietnam, and was forced to stay there until I quit. Tried my hardest to get back to SAC, (even if it meant working on BUFs), but to no avail.

By deniedaccess On 2014.01.03 14:38
Bedge, Jim S, anyone in NB, how did you fare the latest storm? Better than Chicago and South Bend I hope. And I guess this weekend another cold blast coming through with up to a foot of snow.

Steve, guess you can relive your days on the railroad this weekend, Atlanta expected to get down to the teens. That should freeze the fuzz off a Georgia Peach.

By evets On 2014.01.04 03:52
Mike and JP when you said Bunker Hill I figured for sure you two were referring to the revolutionary war which would make perfect sense.

I didn't ride a locomotive I worked on the track these 38 years. Ties and rail a steel driving man the likes of John Henry.

Seriously though you two and many others have experienced a lot of combat and military service and I thank you all. You have my utmost respect and admiration.

now let me get back to lambasting the two of you :)

Bedge hunker down your going down to minus 10 Monday, day and night and in single digits for a few days so close the water off to those outside faucets and protect those pipes from freezing.

Bob S your going down even farther but then you've already seen some pretty frigid weather.

Bob Z are you eating up some fire wood?

Stay safe and warm people and I mean it.

Jim along with the others I thank you.

By Betty Stromer On 2014.01.04 05:57
Just came down from getting ready for Mcds.
22 and no extra snow, so today will be one of the good ones I guess and then downhill from there.
Doesn't sound good for Sun/Mon and the week ahead, high of zero, BRRRR
I don't know anything turning off outside faucets etc. Oh well, we will see how it all goes.
Stay warm everyone. I fee so bad for the homeless people and old people. Whoops, forgot ,I'm one of the Old ones myself.
Steve working on the tracks all those yrs. is what makes you look so good now.

By Joe Pat Tyron On 2014.01.04 07:38
Steve,Bunker Hill renamed Grissom AFB is located at Kokomo,Ind As for laying track manually they haven't done that in 70 years,in fact there is a Company in Ludington that makes a roadbed machine,Harsco Rail inc.

By Tom S On 2014.01.04 08:58
Steve, you are right. It's nice to hear the old timers reminisce. I can't wait to hear how they beat Lee at Gettysburg, and what was Teddy like in Cuba.
Of course being from the great class O'79, my stories would beat all.

By Joe Pat Tyron On 2014.01.04 09:59
Tom, there is one requirement for telling war stories you have to police up the brass between skirmishes .

By deniedaccess On 2014.01.04 12:39
Bedge, since you do not know where the shut off for the outside faucets is, I hope none are on a Northern exposure and they may make it through ok, especially if only the faucet is showing and no extra exposed pipe. If you can't get Styrofoam covers at the hardware store, wrapping with an old towel provides some help.

Steve, you are welcome. Those who served in the 50s and 60s did not hear that much and were pretty much forgotten. People of my era were even shunned by the VFW, since we weren't in a "real war".

JP, careful telling Tom he needs to clean up the brass between skirmishes, he might try to give old officers a bath. While Grissom is associated with Kokomo, it is actually closer to Peru and Galveston. Peru is much like New Buffalo a small close knit community and Galveston is a little community built up around the railroad tracks running through town. Also, there is, (at least when I was there), a little town across the highway from Grissom called Bunker Hill. It is like many small Midwest farming towns, a few homes in close, a church, a hardware store and a bar.The hardware store and bar were in the same building.

Tom, we let John Henry, take care of Lee, and Teddy always bought the first round of rum when in Cuba...."Cuba Libre", (no Jim that is not political, just ordering a drink).

To the "lurker",(may we call you Bill?), hope you are enjoying this exchange since most seem to be back on after the holidays.

Rich, watching a PBS show on the Katmai Peninsula, sure is beautiful up there in Alaska.

By bob sutherland On 2014.01.04 19:42
Evets it is supposed to get even colder tomorrow and two days after. On Monday all schools.are closed on in Minnesota
Bob s

By bob sutherland On 2014.01.04 19:56
Events again your comments about the section crew
I remember a lot the section crew on the pm.crew.we're. Italian immigrants
. Some retired and back to Italy a after being separated from their family they saved their money and lived pretty well in Italy on their true. Pension
Bob s

By Tom S On 2014.01.05 10:17
MMM, Cubre Libre...
Ha, JP, I'm glad i didn't have to police my brass. It was always dark during my skirmishes. In both shootings the first thing the investigators asked is 'how many shots did you fire'. Heck, when you're trying not to get killed, how do you remember how many shots you fired?
Steve is right. You guys didn't come home to the welcome our boiz do now. Know that you were and are appreciated.

By deniedaccess On 2014.01.05 13:53
Tom, thank you for the words. I am so glad the men and women of today are being recognized. I thought the answer to, "how many shots did you fire", was "all of them".

Steve, after worrying about everyone up north, it is time to worry about yourself, predicted wind chill of 12 below for Tuesday in Atlanta.

By evets On 2014.01.06 03:08
Did Tom say...............Steve is right?

yes sir it's supposed to go down to as low as 8 degrees and wind chill of -10

Mike technology has advanced over the years but track work is still very labor intensive. It really hasn't been 70 years ago that the work was done by hand.
in the 70s we were still digging our ties in by hand even 16 foot switch ties.
We unloaded ties by hand out of gondolas as many as 24 cars in a work train. The foreman said boys we get these ties unloaded we'll go home. No one had high rail gear on they're trucks we loaded it all on push carts and walked it in for miles to the job. Track jacks were made of iron like the men that used them.
we still had 39 foot stick rail in a lot of places but 1/4 mile strings of ribbon rail were being laid every where. When I started there were two gangs at NB one had 12 men the other had 8 and there was a section every 50 miles.
the advent of continuous ribbon rail reduced the need for as much man power so many lost there jobs in down sizing.
at the turn of the century there were 4 million railroad workers, today there are approximately 250,000.

Stay warm people

By deniedaccess On 2014.01.06 06:55
Steve, yes Tom did say you were right, about how great JP and I are. Thanks for the RR history, but it wasn't me who said you did not do that. Down here you still see short section repairs done by hand with minimal machine help, primarily no manual jacking.

By Betty Stromer On 2014.01.06 07:17
Morning ALL,
4 below this morning, so of course 2nd day I haven't been to Mcds. drifting by the door and even coming in the cracks out on the porch, but house is warm and ok.
Just a good couple days to stay in and hope everyone else are doing the same, none of my kids at work, all been called off., so they should all be home and safe too and no school etc. In other words, Stay OFF the Roads!!
Suppose to get colder yet today tho.

By Joe Pat Tyron On 2014.01.06 07:42
Steve my old man worked as a Gandy Dancer back in the 20s it was a real back breaker then.You quoted a figure of 4mil and now only 250K granted there have been many miles of roadbed abandoned but out in this part of the world most of the labor is done by machine. I guess just about every trade has gone in that direction even in aircraft work. Back in the day every panel that had to be removed was done with a speed handle very labor intensive ,the advent of new power tools has really changed the time to complete jobs. We are feeling a little of that cold right now it's 37 here. Stay warm folks it's a blizzard out there.

By deniedaccess On 2014.01.06 10:22
Bedge, glad to hear all holding up well with only a little blow in on the porch. Hope when the temps get above freezing your outside faucets came through well.

JP, watch your language....speed handle, such a dirty word. Only speed involved was in your shoulder and elbow. We finally got some cool weather too, woke up to 22 with a wind chill of 16. Expected to be a little cooler tomorrow, and back to mid 70s by Friday. And they wonder why Texas leads the flu cases numbers.

By Richard Guhl On 2014.01.06 11:45
I probably shouldn't admit this, but - it was 43 degrees & rain this morning when I got up. We haven't had a temp below 36 since Christmas. Our rain gauge indicates 3 1/4 inches since January 1st. We've had a steady series of storms coming in off the North Pacific where the water temp is mid to high 40's. Still, when the jet stream shift and we start getting winds down off the interior glaciers we too will be looking at temps well below freezing - and your temps will go back up to normal-ish.

By deniedaccess On 2014.01.06 15:37
Rich, nice to see you back, Steve didn't know what to do when he couldn't cry to you for the way JP and I were treating him. Yeah, from the morning news it showed almost all of Alaska warmer then the areas affected by the Artic Express. Figured you were out filling your freezers and checking traps. If you were, bet the rain was no fun.

By Betty Stromer On 2014.01.06 16:09
HI, down to -13 now, even Mcds wasn't open today. I didn't go out except to mail a bill and by gosh the gal came. I didn't even think they would come, I didn't get a paper tho.
Stay warm everyone, just don't go anywhere. My young son almost got stuck going home from his job in NB to where he lives between Westville and LaPorte, had to ram thru some drifts to get home.
Now everyone is home and safe. Yeah

By Joe Pat Tyron On 2014.01.06 16:35
This is really nutty weather temps climbed all the way up to 77 at 1PM wish I could send a few warm rays your way. I think I read in the old farmers almanac that this was going to be one of the most brutal winters on record. Mike, the first tool they issued me in the AF was a speed handle ,adapter and a "2 & "3 apex and for good measure a center punch and ballpeen hammer. And woe unto the wrench bender that had to call out a tin bender to drill out a screw, would you believe that was 55 years ago.

By deniedaccess On 2014.01.06 18:08
Bedge, it always did drift up bad on that stretch between Westville and La Porte, ran into drifts many times when coming up from Base on the weekends. In the summer you had to worry about fog on the same stretch.

JP, would you believe that in 1986 the tin benders had the same attitude, and pity any specialist who messed one up so bad the crew chief couldn't get it out and called them. Had my own personal set of chisels and ballpeen because were not authorized in our tool kits. Never made a call, and the sheet metal people even gave me the better apex bits they used so I had less problems. (Helped that sheet metal fell under the specialist flight and I was Assistant NCOIC).

By evets On 2014.01.07 03:49
NCOIC Michael I still spell it STUPID for you and JP both.

Rich how about a little help here?

woke up to 7 degrees with a wind chill of minus 10 and I'm at work feels like a mid summer's morning in good old Michigan.

Bob S I see some minus 20 up at Iron Mountain what's it doing at your place?

Bob Z I need you to cut, split and haul to my location. Let me know when you get close and I'll head that way and help unload. I'm not above getting my hands dirty like some. You know who you are :)

Stay warm my friends it aint fit for man nor beast out there nor you either JP.

By deniedaccess On 2014.01.07 05:51
Steve, well good morning to you too, sorry you never felt a sense of purpose in your life and feel the need to lash out at those who did. I don't think you'll get much help from Rich, he started enlisted and worked his way up until he found a different passion. Guess you quit talking last night and kept the wind down as you only had a wind chill of minus 10 when minus 12 or worse was expected for Atlanta. You must be talking to someone other than the posters here, when you talk about not wanting to get their hands dirty.

Bob Z, let Steve cut and haul his own wood. There should be plenty of frozen Peach and Pecan trees he can gnaw on while sharpening his teeth for the fight he is looking for. And leave it to him to include himself when telling all to stay warm, Bedge, we men and himself.

By Betty Stromer On 2014.01.07 06:15
Good Morning All,
8 below this morning, but not as much blowing and drifting, didn't come in the porch.
In Atlanta, I would think that was cold Steve, suppose to be warmer down south, not as cold as MI so I bet it feels different. How is Bert handling it? hope he doesn't catch cold and get sick from it. Keep him in and warm and tell him Hi
Won't try to go to Mcds if they were closed yesterday morning plus Rosie's downtown closed too, will just have my brkfst. here.
Some of my kids are going to try and go to work later, they were told to stay off the roads yesterday and not even go to work. I will just bundle up or maybe find something to knit. LOL
We haven't heard how Gloria is doing out there. Ok I hope.
As far as Steve not being in the service, he isn't the only one, they needed Men here at home too. I know my Dad wasn't in because of his age but he did a lot around here to make up for it. I thank all that went to War, but some are doing better things at home or were too young or old at the time. I had one Son who went and another who didn't have to , and I was proud of them both.

By Tom S On 2014.01.07 12:30
Right on, Bedge. You stay warm.
I was shut in yesterday. Read Lone Survivor, great book.
Got to work today, even though the Casino is closed.

By gloriapeterson On 2014.01.07 20:50
Been cold here with lots of sun,Today was the first snow,.......First weather day for schools, Streets icy, lots of wrecks....Been watching your weather praying you all be safe....Don't remember it like that when we were there....Remember lots of snow we had to plow through to catch the school all stay safe.... We had the 25 below wind factor in November, but no snow, ..Bedge stay home if you can!!!

By bob sutherland On 2014.01.07 22:00
Events it was over 25 below in some places and a wind chill factor of up to 45 below zero. The schools have closed for 3 days. I hear that n.Indiana and berries co have been hit very hard. Bob s

By evets On 2014.01.08 03:22
Bedge your exactly right to be proud of those that may not have served in the military the travesty is for them who are born and raised in this great country to not support those who have served and fought and died for freedom.
we did sign up for the draft as required and for some of us it was just the timing. Had I turned 18 one year earlier my number was 112. I imagine I would have made it to NAM but the Lord had other plans. Now here I am available and able to make the lives of JP and Mike miserable. What a calling but someone has to keep them grounded and humble.

Bless you all

By Betty Stromer On 2014.01.08 05:45
HI All,
7 below, but I think I may try to go to Mcds. A friend picked me up and we went to Barneys for a few groceries, first time out on the roads for 3 days. Even went to the beach, things have been cleaned out pretty good and the driving was ok, [I didn't drive tho] but will today. Mcds was finally open they said, but not in the morning.
They took the warning off of IN, those people would get a fine if they were on the road and not suppose to be. My son said it was still so slippery, he said roads were so busy, probably cause they hadn't been out and now it was ok and they needed food!!!!!
I won't go unless my other gals go tho.
Ok, have a good day and stay warm.

By bzboril On 2014.01.08 10:30
Jim, thanks for all the work you do to keep this site going.
Sun is shining, I had -14 on my truck this morning going to work. I thought we were past the REAL cold, guess not. Supposed to be 40 by Sunday with some freezing rain. That doesn't sound pleasant at all. I was able to make it in to work on Monday, only 3 out of 13 of us braved the elements. We have over a foot of snow, the wind really packed in the north, south roads out in the country where I live. I have just enough room to get my truck through on Monday morning. Some drifts out on Basswood Road and Schwark rd are higher than my truck.
Bob S, Is there any relief in the UP yet.
Steve, drag your soft butt outside and start working on next years wood pile. Yes, the below zero temps are eating my wood pile quickly. I was able to maintain 72 degrees in the house without the furnace running. Basement was a chilly 48. Plenty warm to keep stuff from freezing. This weather is going to put a damper on my rabbit hunting. Just too much snow to get where I need to be. Stay warm everyone.

By Richard Guhl On 2014.01.08 11:37
JPT: Was surprised to see this week's Alaska Airlines special's for residents included Sitka/Tucson $319 each way. May start watching your weather conditions.

By deniedaccess On 2014.01.08 12:09
Steve, were you out practicing your pick axe skills? I ask, because I saw that water main break in Atlanta causing a royal mess.

Rich, if the temps in Alaska get back to normal, it may be too much of a strain to tolerate the Tucson temps, a 40-50 degree temp difference tears the body up. From 20 going to 70 is a killer, that thick blood you have developed to combat the cold wants to boil at temps above 50.

Hope all have had their flu shots as well as their families also. Just had our 9th death this season from the H1N1 strain.

Bob Z, by the time the temps get back to where you can hunt, the rabbits won't have much left on them having used it up staying comfortable under the snow.

By evets On 2014.01.09 03:13
Bob Z ...................soft butt..................really?

-14 and drifts over your truck sounds good to me. We will be back in the 60s and rain this weekend.

Bedge Bert is doing well Pam and my grand daughter keep him supplied with banana pudding. As long as he's got something for that sweet tooth he's satisfied.

Keep it coming Mikie

By Betty Stromer On 2014.01.09 05:42
Morning all.
-1 this morning, so its warming up.
Wasn't a bad day yesterday, cold, but we went to Mcds and then at night to Wendy's, they had both been closed for few days. We gotta keep those business's running, LOL
Maybe its our age, but I have a sweet tooth too, mine is choc. or caramel or peanut butter, Heck just anything sweet, I'm not fussy, LOL
Have a good day, I'm ready to take off soon.
I agree, there is NO soft butt on Steve, if I had been younger and in school with him, watch out, I'd have been chasing him .HAHAH, but that doesn't mean he would have even looked at me.
I did end up with one of the most handsome, wonderful guy in N.B tho after he came home from the War.

By Joe Pat Tyron On 2014.01.09 08:41
For shame Bedge,we just about got that boy straightened out and you go and give him a big head again.

By deniedaccess On 2014.01.09 09:52
JP, he needs that big head to balance out his big soft butt, otherwise he would be a WEEBLE.

By Richard Guhl On 2014.01.09 11:09
Good Grief!!! "WEEBLE?" Haven't seen or heard that word in YEARS!!!

By bzboril On 2014.01.09 12:22
I kind of like Steve's new pet name, Weeble Fraizer.. Or is it elbeew.

By deniedaccess On 2014.01.09 22:01
Hey, Weeble.....sorry, Stevie. Is that Stevie as in Wonder or Nicks?

By Betty Stromer On 2014.01.10 05:42
Sorry Steve,,
Looks like my comment made things worse for you, so I will just stay off here till the rest of them grow up.
Have a nice day one and all.

By Joe Pat Tyron On 2014.01.10 14:07
Awe come on Bedge well really like Steve ,bless his pointed little head

By deniedaccess On 2014.01.10 14:30
Yeah, Bedge! Steve gives as good as he gets, (you know he wiggles and he wobbles but he won't fall down), and if you waited for JP, Steve and me to grow up, you'd never get back on here.

Looks on national weather radar that New Buffalo is getting a lot of rain. Pray the temps stay above freezing, you don't need ice after what you have already been through.

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